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I've got a degree in homeopathic

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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urea hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hello Richard hello Stefan you just

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informed me that this is show 7171 I

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feel so old now how you are all that's

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your problem I know rub it in but

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welcome anyway Thank You Thomas of how

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old I feel to episode 71 is design md

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one for the 26 of februari 20 10 20 10

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2,000 i am now I'm more saying 2010

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because it's easier when I'm writing it

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to remember 20 that's true whatever

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having a swatch time that's rollin you

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mean the beat time yeah cuz we should we

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should be using with a bit 22 it's not

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2010 it's it's 3006 swatch time or

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something yeah or it's like four billion

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and something years since the Sun lit up

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we should be doing that we should we

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should just for clarity yeah for the

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beginning of the Sun alighting alright

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so we're here happening what a great

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show we've got an interview with the

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young Australian skeptics not like us

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sort of no because we were into episode

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72 yeah that's my next week this week

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the youngest and skeptics coming up

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followed by a very interesting find

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they've unearthed some Diaries from dr.

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Samuel Hahnemann they have not led the

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guy who invented homeopathy are going to

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be hearing extracts from his diary who

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discovered her me up before invented it

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or no cuz he discovered it because it

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was a true healing energy was waiting to

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be discovered that's amazing exciting

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exclusive to the Scott exam he's diary

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desirey mm-hmm that's followed by

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another doctor but this time a real

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doctor doctor rhe dr. Reggie reports and

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of course the think tank wish you're

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taking part in I believe I'm just

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getting ready just got over shower and a

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shave and everything and I'll be there

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and whenever it's done whenever it

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starts you'll be there I will be but hey

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oh yes look it's been a great couple of

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weeks for dr. Stefan cycle that has it

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yes since since I launched medicines on

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medecine yeah it's just been going off

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I've been getting calls from all around

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the world all the trouble spots to to go

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in and sort them out it's really the

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facebook page is just it's exploding wow

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that's fantastic yeah and you know since

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I introduced the life wire a few a few

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episodes ago it's been just going off

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I'm being getting so the production just

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can't keep up with demand

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really how many of you made none oh

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that's why we cocky but that's a phantom

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audience laughing behind a section but

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really none that's right but we are

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going to start producing it what we need

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a few more orders once I've got a

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million dollars worth of pre-orders yeah

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i'm going to start production and as you

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can see it's a lot of work to make this

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thing happen it is check that out that's

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right now energies um let's get into it

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we better give you it let's get into

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I'm Carly Sturgis and I'm talking to the

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young Australian skeptics the young

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Australian skeptics website began in

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November 2008 the yes team are the

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creators of a podcast called the

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pseudo-scientists they featured on ABC

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radio and recently our television show

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called the insiders talking about

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skepticism and global warming Elliot

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birch Jason ball and Jax Kailyn are not

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only podcasters they are bloggers blog

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anthology creators innovators and

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activists what started the young

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idea how did you meet and what was the

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goal I would say that probably my

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harebrained scheme that's true I

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religious people things like that

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Indians it's like the most religious

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nation in the world so there's lots of

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religious people and the teachers had to

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be very politically correct and I

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people can speak their mind and follow

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the evidence rather than yeah it's

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significant website it has quite a few

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features what led you to consider making

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a site that had so many things involved

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mistake like I had a chat room on their

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first things like that but that was a

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people used it so I got rid of that I

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part of the site then the forum you know

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people who are sort of a bit more

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chat which is good and obviously the

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podcast is like something that draws in

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a lot of traffic for us and makes us

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popular and famous on the Internet yeah

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now the pseudo-scientists podcast

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what's the experience being like well

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generally fun Oh sound enthusiastic yes

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what did you do join for example well

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store careers no kidding hey Jack Jack

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the name and I just there would be a

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good good idea to get involved at the

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time you were high school student were

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you familiar with podcast before I was

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skeptics guide to the universe so it's

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pretty pointless to mention them because

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that's a given I'd also listen to the

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geologic podcast which you're a big fan

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of Kylie I think yes yes they are and

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involved with the pseudo-scientists so

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what led you as a group Elliot Jason and

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Jack to think right this is an itch that

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needs to be filled well as I stated

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young people and help them think

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critically because I wasn't a critical

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think it was wrong or anything so it was

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itself i mean like Jason and Jack and I

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skeptics cafe sort of thing and Jason I

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did talks there as well and we just sort

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of run same page and we wanted to make a

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podcast which sort of appeal to the

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younger audience and we can help people

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sort of and use it keep it as a sort of

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podcasts that got me so ingrained in the

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movement like I kind of felt alone with

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like a lot of my friends weren't really

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the types of people who wanted to talk

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about those issues so like just

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listening two episodes of the point of

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inquiry in particular over and over

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just loved hearing the conversations

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two suicides between intelligent people

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and I learnt so much from it and you

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these types of conversations with many

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people my age I was really hanging to

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hear something like that from younger

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people and yeah when I got going to the

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skeptics and atheist meetups you know I

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got introduced to Elliot and I thought

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surely there's you know other people out

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there would be interested in that so we

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just decided to go for it and see how it

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went yeah i mean like i gotta agree with

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inspiration from things like the amateur

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scientist podcast and obviously geologic

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talented and just amazingly cool so I

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from those guys we wanted to keep it

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funny and like light-hearted while I'll

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stuff as well I mean there's not many

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podcasts out there that are for young

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people specifically I mean you said that

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majority of our listeners a young like

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email us and sort of ask us for help and

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her project and things like that so I

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grassroots level and I guess that's a

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big reason why we sort of got into it

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attract young people or that young

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people aren't attracted to the medium

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because they're hard enough there isn't

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that content for the young people so I

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number of young people in the movement

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undergraduate University students as

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in university will listen to all the

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skepticism isn't on the internet isn't

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restricted to old men with beards like

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something that we could have a big

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outreach or atheists outreach or even

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on your listenership if I can answer

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that one I think because what we what we

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know can we create a podcast we wanted

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to do something that hadn't been done

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because there's so much content out

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there and it's all excellent so we

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didn't want to regurgitate the same

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stuff that's already out they wanted to

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try and create something that's

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different and with the on the street

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segments what we thought like the idea

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hbu the rationale behind that was that a

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lot of people in the skeptical movement

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talking to other people who are also in

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it'd be trying good to kind of expand

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outside of that and actually hear what

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the general population and general

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attitudes of young people are towards

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these issues that we care so much about

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specifically like on the street I mean

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like that he that was his idea and his

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work I he did everything with that and

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that was an awesome idea and it really

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helped us out because it really sort of

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Australia who really wanted to be part

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of a youth sort of based movement in

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skepticism the on the street part is

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yeah it's definitely like to sort of get

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out of our little ivory tower that we

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sit in and um sort of chat to people who

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maybe don't even know what skepticism is

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but do you think critically or maybe

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even they don't think critically and

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sort of get their opinions on things um

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you know like we did GM crops and things

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like that we went out and asked people

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about GM crops there was lots of people

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who are skeptical of you know the

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organic sort of movement pushing pushing

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organic food so I mean that was really

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interesting I didn't expect that so I

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mean that's sort of things that we go

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out and do it's it's by no means

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scientific but we just wanted to sort of

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give get that sort of perspective and we

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thought it would be good listening

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mm-hmm it's excellent listening I think

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it's one of the standout parts of the

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podcast hearing such a variety of voices

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it's great thank you now the young

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Australian skeptics as you mentioned has

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a blog site where anyone can contribute

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and Jack Scanlon has his own site

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homologous leagues am I saying that

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right uh well the the word is homologous

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that's how i pronounce it i'm mala ghus

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thank you what is logging like as a

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young skeptic booking as a young skeptic

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is really very much the same as like a

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normal skeptic I suppose it depends the

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audience you're trying to reach other

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some there are quite a few young skeptic

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blogs from people who are made my age

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but no said that they don't necessarily

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have the the audience that

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the author is like that they don't write

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for young people they're just trying to

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fit into that sort of blogging skeptical

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movement of lots of various blogs on

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news items and covering skeptical topics

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and stuff like that so it's not really

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that much different being a young

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skeptical blogger I suppose blogging as

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a skeptic is a different kind of

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blogging to normal blogging because

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you're trying to be as objective as

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possible with the facts and stuff like

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that you're not Trump ring opinion into

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it that much unless it's a topic that um

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I suppose if you're writing just the

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skeptical movement in your not Craner

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have that sort of skeptical outreach to

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like the lay public or people who have

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just happened to stumble upon your blog

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you can introduce your opinions about

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certain subjects like if there's a I

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don't know some specific a naturopath or

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a quack doctor or something you can be

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all angry at them and get all riled up

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and stuff and if someone in the general

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public or and naturopath aligning

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haven't upon that they would say that

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that's like ad hominem attacks and stuff

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but if you're blogging within that

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movement you can take the liberty to be

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at be opinionated I suppose so you get

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the best of both phones in all for me

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for me the thing about blogging is that

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it's quick and it's instant like

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something can happen out there and you

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can instantly be blogging about it and

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that's I suppose the thing that

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separates blogging from the

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publication's like you know the skeptic

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magazine and stuff which you know

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they've actually got a lot of benefits

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as well because that's a lot more you

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know it's got a lot more review and it's

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heavily edited and you know the articles

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are definitely of probably better

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quality in published magazines and so

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it's kind of like there was that amazing

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article by Daniel Loxton in skeptical

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Inquirer I don't know if you read it

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Kylie about you know skepticism to point

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oh and and the changing face of the

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movement and how a lot of skeptics these

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days aren't really involved in

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organizations and they actually come to

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skepticism through you know blogs and

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podcasts and that sort of stuff as

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opposed to reading books or subscribing

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to magazines and

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uh yeah well I mean like the thing is is

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that I mean with with our blog it's got

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some level of peer-review like we do

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definitely look over the articles before

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we publish them and stuff but it can't

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be a can be a criticism sometimes that

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you know they're less especially because

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they're written by young people that

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their left is polished and they're of

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you know not as great quality like the

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works of Carl Sagan or or Richard

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Dawkins or someone which would be

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actually probably a better resource for

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a first-time skeptic to get involved

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with so I think one of the things that

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we need to keep in mind is that we need

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to keep directing people to

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organizations like the Australian

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skeptics and directing people to

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magazines like skeptical Inquirer and

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you know the writings of certain works

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and that's one of the reasons why we had

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the book review segment on our podcast

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was you know we wanted to keep it rooted

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in and make people who are new to

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skepticism understand the sort of

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history of it as well just to sort of

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quick give my input on that I think one

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of the things that sort of sets our the

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gas apart from just like a general

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skepticism blog that has nothing to do

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with young people is there's a lot I

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think it's more the humor I mean like a

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young people want to laugh and stuff and

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I mean especially with like sort of

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Internet humor like 4chan humor things

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like that in the long hats and all that

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sort of crap well I mean that's sort of

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the things that we so try and go for I

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mean Richard Hughes is excellent for

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that so stuff he writes for the blog

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regularly and he's Danica's dan cares

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front Friday fundies it's a little low

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yeah exactly i mean like that's what we

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sort of want to go for we want people to

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come come in and have a chuckle but I

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mean also you know sometimes we have the

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stuff that's a bit more serious as well

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I mean we like and another thing that's

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great about the gas and like the fact

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that we have lots of people riding for

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us I mean I received a call from Dan

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Kerr again and here for me about the the

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avian possibly shutting down so i jumped

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right on the blog and and i wrote an

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article for that I mean anyone could

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have done that on the ass but it was

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just happened to be me so I mean like we

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were one of the first people to get that

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out in on a blog so I mean it's great

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having a big network and I mean I think

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that's what sets us apart

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a bit um yeah i mean like as jason said

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we we don't have as much hard-hitting

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stuff is like maybe like pz would I mean

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but you know we try and sort of aim it

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aim it low for the young people like pcs

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got quite a lot because his his blog

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output is just tremendous so he has to

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fill it up with all pictures of kittens

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and pictures squid and stuff so he's got

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a humor there as well but I'm a unique

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feature of the young Australian skeptics

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blog that I would mention that a lot of

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people don't realize when actually go

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there we're trying to change this in the

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future but it's not immediately apparent

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that it's actually a group blog and

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anyone can can contribute to it so I

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just like to stress that now that if

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you're a young Australian skeptical

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person and you don't have a blog or you

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do and you would just like to get your

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message out there to a lot of people you

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can just sign up for the website and

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submit some posts for us and anyone's

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allowed to do it on any topic whatsoever

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I just like to to mention that because

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it's not something that a lot of people

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of a lot of people are aware of yeah i

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mean like also you don't really have to

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be young or Australian I mean you can

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you can lie to us err it's an Internet

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we don't know who you are yeah exactly

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um so I mean it anyone can write for us

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and that's the main thing I mean we've

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had we've had theists right on there

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right there sort of opinions and that's

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what we want to get across I mean a lot

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of people lot of like fierce and true

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believers will pop up on the blog and

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comment on certain articles like we had

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a lot of stuff from the 911 truthers

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when mu yeah I'm Richard did I think was

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Richard yeah Richard today I'm a bit of

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an article on the the Tao of the Chao

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seven so we had lots of truth is come in

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and bombard us and I mean like a day

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there would have been welcome to write

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anything they want on the blog I mean

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just be aware that you may get pwned so

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do you ever get criticism about the way

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you approach topics as either yes

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members or as young skeptics and how do

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you

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blow her own horn but me and Jason Jason

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and I and Terry Kelly were on the ABC

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the other day on insiders I only got one

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bad email but we were criticized in that

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for how we portrayed skeptics for some

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reason but it was from a climate-change

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skeptic so that yes even but that's

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pretty much the only sort of time that

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we've really had it I mean we've had

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various emails from crazy people these

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people are pretty like true believers

540
00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:37,100
believe in anything email us ranting

541
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:39,260
like big blocks of text so I mean that's

542
00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:40,610
pretty much the only time but we've

543
00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:43,030
never had any sort of we've never had

544
00:21:46,810 --> 00:21:45,350
anyone say oh yeah I think you did a

545
00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:46,820
really bad job here anything like that

546
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:49,430
so again those really good those emails

547
00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:52,910
are usually in all caps oh there we I

548
00:21:58,900 --> 00:21:56,420
mean I did have a feeling that we would

549
00:22:01,630 --> 00:21:58,910
get criticized for the amount that we're

550
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:01,640
just [\h__\h] around you know um but but

551
00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:04,550
really we really haven't explained me

552
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:06,620
seriously listens to the podcast or its

553
00:22:12,010 --> 00:22:08,810
read the blog but anything substantial

554
00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:12,020
so they don't expect anything I think

555
00:22:17,950 --> 00:22:15,620
you're sad Jack come on yes if people

556
00:22:19,180 --> 00:22:17,960
want to you know a serious podcast where

557
00:22:20,590 --> 00:22:19,190
we take issues a little bit more

558
00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:20,600
seriously this content gather that they

559
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:22,760
can listen to you know like the skeptics

560
00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:25,610
own podcast good chance don't listen to

561
00:22:30,340 --> 00:22:28,220
the pseudo-scientists okay yeah go away

562
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:30,350
that's the one message we want to get

563
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,810
across here yeah I send to us right okay

564
00:22:36,850 --> 00:22:35,120
listen to the skeptic zone but you know

565
00:22:38,170 --> 00:22:36,860
they're much more professional we must

566
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:38,180
be more professional we're talking to

567
00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:40,190
the likes of you clearly but seriously

568
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:43,550
listen to us will cry poor Elliot now

569
00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:45,650
one of the things that has been on the

570
00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:47,420
cards for the young Australian skeptics

571
00:22:53,170 --> 00:22:49,880
is starting up a very serious project

572
00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:53,180
and that is the blog anthology where you

573
00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:55,430
have contacted and had people writing a

574
00:23:00,040 --> 00:22:57,320
variety of submitted blog entries for

575
00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:00,050
book what other ambitions do you have

576
00:23:06,460 --> 00:23:02,750
for 2010 obviously the podcast will

577
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:06,470
start again water ah yes well we were

578
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:08,090
hoping to start it within the next one a

579
00:23:14,710 --> 00:23:10,940
month actually we're trying to organize

580
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:14,720
our first interviews and I think we have

581
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:16,310
organized I think we have we've got

582
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,050
we've got some some big announcements

583
00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:20,000
you want our first interview lined up is

584
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:21,470
with DJ grow through the new perimeter

585
00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:25,490
the J raff and we've also secured I'm

586
00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:27,380
not sure if you are familiar with the

587
00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:29,000
comedian Josh Thomas is going to be our

588
00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:30,230
guest panelist on the first episode

589
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:33,320
which is gonna be cool and we may we may

590
00:23:39,250 --> 00:23:35,930
even get um this is a bit of speculation

591
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,260
but we may be getting jian safran so

592
00:23:43,570 --> 00:23:41,840
that could be fun that's that's awesome

593
00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:43,580
I've got a couple of new people as well

594
00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:45,950
so there'll be some new voices and some

595
00:23:48,850 --> 00:23:47,630
new opinions and some of the other

596
00:23:50,770 --> 00:23:48,860
things we're looking for twenty thousand

597
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:50,780
ten years we we do hope to get involved

598
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:53,930
in tam Australia whether it's you know

599
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,510
behind the scenes or or completely

600
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,600
formally like hosting it and being a

601
00:24:05,170 --> 00:24:02,240
host of people for that event so I'm

602
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:05,180
just saying Richard so no you wouldn't

603
00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:07,370
do us wrong by doing that it was

604
00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:08,750
definitely be there in some form whether

605
00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:10,340
it's reporting from there or getting

606
00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:11,900
involved but you know we're really

607
00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:14,420
excited about that I do know that

608
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,950
they're probably looking for someone to

609
00:24:19,930 --> 00:24:18,320
help film the entire event so maybe if

610
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:19,940
you want a hammer man instead of Richard

611
00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:22,190
Saunders that would be great I don't

612
00:24:27,370 --> 00:24:23,720
think we want to be behind the camera

613
00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:27,380
Carly we can do the we can do the what

614
00:24:33,250 --> 00:24:29,900
the special extras on the DVD yeah the

615
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:33,260
zany interviews yeah be wonderful that

616
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,510
would be lovely put your own spin on

617
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:38,240
things we've got we've got some stuff

618
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:41,600
planned not Lots but we have some things

619
00:24:45,850 --> 00:24:43,940
planned so I mean like it's not going to

620
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:45,860
be a completely empty year for the for

621
00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:49,940
the pseudo-scientists of course not so

622
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:51,470
we got lots to look forward to thank you

623
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:53,030
so much for joining me here today

624
00:24:56,860 --> 00:24:55,070
gentlemen can you plug your site and

625
00:24:59,920 --> 00:24:56,870
your podcast where should we go in order

626
00:25:02,380 --> 00:24:59,930
to find out more ok haha you can find

627
00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:02,390
the young Australian skeptics at yayas

628
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:06,470
skeptics com that's young aus skeptics

629
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:09,770
with a ke kaam and you can jump on the

630
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,680
blog in the forum and have a chat or you

631
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:15,200
can listen to the podcast by clicking on

632
00:25:21,490 --> 00:25:18,770
the podcast RSS feed in the right hand

633
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:21,500
side of that column of that sorry of the

634
00:25:26,890 --> 00:25:24,710
website you can also get the feed

635
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:26,900
directly by going to young skeptics calm

636
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:30,110
/ podcasts / feed

637
00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:32,330
and then you'll be directly hooked up to

638
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:36,679
it like the heroin that it is yes I also

639
00:25:44,020 --> 00:25:38,530
have a blog but i don't know if i should

640
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:44,030
plug it here yes yes as kylie said we'll

641
00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:46,130
try to say it's called homologous legs

642
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:50,900
and the URL is wwan t-tommy combo will

643
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:52,730
spell that out because you will have no

644
00:26:01,930 --> 00:25:57,200
idea of how to spell that it's naon t io

645
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:01,940
t am I calm and that's my personal blog

646
00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:03,890
right talk about evolution and

647
00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:05,929
creationism and intelligent design and

648
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:08,540
stuff like that so check that out if you

649
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:12,490
feel like it I don't have anything

650
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:16,130
without your feed I John I just got

651
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:18,530
Twitter oh well done Jason welcome to

652
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:22,370
2010 clothing Thank You Kylie you can

653
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:25,580
follow me my name is Jason ball a 88

654
00:26:31,030 --> 00:26:29,330
Sarah you know follow can we all plug

655
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:31,040
out Twitter's or is that illegal no it

656
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:32,690
don't sweat it you people can follow

657
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:35,750
Eliot and Jack on way well you can

658
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:38,270
follow me at skelly it that's just

659
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:41,510
twitter.com / Scalia or the young

660
00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:44,809
Australian skeptics at yayas skeptic no

661
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,820
S on the end because it couldn't it

662
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:48,320
wouldn't fit so don't blame me I'm

663
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:51,950
Twitter and Jack is it and i'm down to

664
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,640
Tommy at na 0 n t io t am I wonderful so

665
00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:00,559
we'll be listening to you all in 2010

666
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:02,299
and thank you so much for joining me

667
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,500
here I'm pleasure Thank You Kylie keep

668
00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:07,760
up the good work with the skeptics I

669
00:27:18,889 --> 00:27:16,489
the young Australian skeptics blog

670
00:27:20,869 --> 00:27:18,899
anthology should be available out later

671
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:20,879
this year people are currently being

672
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,769
sent emails alerting them to their

673
00:27:32,589 --> 00:27:25,200
inclusion in the anthology check out

674
00:27:38,829 --> 00:27:36,019
this is brian dunning from sceptile calm

675
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:38,839
in an amazingly rare discovery

676
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:41,369
archaeologists working in Germany have

677
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:44,369
unearthed a hitherto unknown volume of

678
00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:47,369
the diary of dr. Samuel Hahnemann the

679
00:27:54,979 --> 00:27:50,849
creator of homeopathy this diary dates

680
00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:54,989
back to 1798 in light of the recent UK

681
00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:57,029
government committee's recommendation

682
00:28:01,849 --> 00:27:59,190
that funding for homeopathy be

683
00:28:03,709 --> 00:28:01,859
discontinued we thought it might be

684
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:03,719
appropriate to hear the words of the

685
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:14,580
great man himself August 27 1789 another

686
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,919
bad day hmm not success in trying to

687
00:28:21,499 --> 00:28:19,320
cure my baldness I mean should have

688
00:28:23,419 --> 00:28:21,509
worked you know I took a half am a nurse

689
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:23,429
chopped it up into tiny little pieces

690
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,309
and put it into a week amid water shake

691
00:28:30,889 --> 00:28:28,799
shake shake I took a drop as that water

692
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:30,899
and put it onto another beaker with

693
00:28:35,329 --> 00:28:32,330
water and where he knows the rest

694
00:28:38,899 --> 00:28:35,339
finally I rubs the water on my scalp but

695
00:28:41,509 --> 00:28:38,909
so far nothing must deliver yeah but Who

696
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:41,519
am I kidding i guess i can tell you

697
00:28:46,129 --> 00:28:44,369
diary that I made up homeopathy one day

698
00:28:50,899 --> 00:28:46,139
when I ran out of medicine for my next

699
00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:50,909
patient oh no what could I do well I had

700
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,830
some water and I put it into a little

701
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,440
bottle and I told him it was very good

702
00:29:00,820 --> 00:28:58,080
fish sniffle and you know what he came

703
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:00,830
back a week later and told me at work he

704
00:29:05,479 --> 00:29:03,779
this was too good to be true imagine the

705
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:05,489
money I could make by selling plain old

706
00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:08,460
water yup and then being the true

707
00:29:13,159 --> 00:29:11,009
scientist that I am I had to reproduce

708
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:13,169
this effect with another subject so a

709
00:29:17,779 --> 00:29:15,570
few days later a lady came in with

710
00:29:19,969 --> 00:29:17,789
hemorrhoids or no this time I gave her a

711
00:29:22,790 --> 00:29:19,979
little kitten made from sugar I thought

712
00:29:26,420 --> 00:29:22,800
it was very powerful and good for her

713
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:26,430
a problem yeah she came back a week data

714
00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,250
and said the pain was gone amazing but

715
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,980
only sugar pills but then i hit the

716
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:34,380
problem my next patient didn't like to

717
00:29:39,290 --> 00:29:36,690
pay money for water or sugar pills on ma

718
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:39,300
time for the old Hanuman quick thinking

719
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:41,910
I told him that you won't believe this

720
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:44,490
baba I told him that that the water and

721
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,860
the pills had energy of the medicine and

722
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:49,200
waitresses the less you use the more

723
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,640
powerful it is he yeah it was all a joke

724
00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,340
but it worked again and again I made a

725
00:30:00,260 --> 00:29:58,980
fortune I even what just crazy things in

726
00:30:03,170 --> 00:30:00,270
a book and before I knew what other

727
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:03,180
people were doing the same thing well I

728
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:05,460
know is that one day soon I'll have to

729
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:07,650
come clean I mean how long can it go on

730
00:30:11,540 --> 00:30:10,140
be fine found out oh well under then

731
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:11,550
I'll keep making money from selling

732
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:21,420
water so have you heard from tea he's

733
00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:23,910
taking it day by day focusing on what's

734
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:26,070
important right now gotta be tough

735
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:28,440
raising a kid on your own and all I mean

736
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:30,770
I get to it's not cheap raising them

737
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:33,930
yeah but he's employed now I'm sure he's

738
00:30:42,170 --> 00:30:36,570
gonna be fine this it he's a social

739
00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:42,180
media professional now Oh frak we got to

740
00:30:51,170 --> 00:30:47,790
do something to help that kid on the

741
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,180
twenty-seventh of febri 2010 at ten a.m.

742
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:53,460
eastern standard time members of the

743
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:55,350
social media community are holding an

744
00:31:00,170 --> 00:30:57,930
auction to benefit tease five-year-old

745
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:00,180
daughter not in our circles as sonic

746
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:02,490
boom we want to show a little girl that

747
00:31:08,030 --> 00:31:05,310
while her life has changed that her

748
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:08,040
opportunities are limitless please join

749
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,870
us in celebrating the future of sonic

750
00:31:13,910 --> 00:31:12,000
boom we want to make sure she supported

751
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:13,920
through social media before the teeth

752
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:15,710
that her daddy sucking at runs dry

753
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:35,950
now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

754
00:31:43,659 --> 00:31:41,929
with dr. Rachel Dunlop so for people

755
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:43,669
that follow me on Twitter some of you

756
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:46,070
may have noticed last week i twittered a

757
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:48,650
conversation I had with my mum about

758
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:50,840
some interesting developments in my

759
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,090
parents house and I've got my dad on the

760
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:54,799
phone to discuss these in a little bit

761
00:32:00,820 --> 00:31:58,730
more detail hello moose all right now I

762
00:32:02,620 --> 00:32:00,830
had a chat with mum last week which was

763
00:32:03,789 --> 00:32:02,630
quite interesting and it seems that

764
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,799
you've been getting a little bit

765
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:05,600
skeptical of late mom was telling me

766
00:32:09,610 --> 00:32:07,820
that she has got to a point with you now

767
00:32:11,649 --> 00:32:09,620
sometimes where she has to drag you away

768
00:32:14,860 --> 00:32:11,659
because whenever you come across someone

769
00:32:16,539 --> 00:32:14,870
who tells you a story about quackery or

770
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:16,549
alternative medicine you now seem to

771
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:18,169
have quite a strong opinion on that dad

772
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:20,840
is that is that true I wouldn't say she

773
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:24,650
have dragged me away I think I've always

774
00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:26,870
been scared to go about something yes

775
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:29,150
but I think the longer you lived and the

776
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:31,490
more information you're going on certain

777
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:36,500
processes well and also in areas of

778
00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:39,049
cycle and other things you've become

779
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:41,780
particularly skeptical perhaps a little

780
00:32:47,169 --> 00:32:44,600
more vocal about them because many of

781
00:32:48,820 --> 00:32:47,179
them are a complete waste of time well

782
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,830
you commented to me when I was home at

783
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,330
Christmas time that you've really become

784
00:32:53,770 --> 00:32:52,159
quite interested in the Australian

785
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:53,780
skeptic magazine and really enjoy

786
00:32:59,529 --> 00:32:55,610
reading it tell me a little bit about

787
00:33:03,460 --> 00:32:59,539
that well well I'm saying but I think

788
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:03,470
right about three issues of it it

789
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:05,000
appears to be particularly well

790
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:06,950
researched by highly qualified people

791
00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:10,880
and I suppose the disappointment that I

792
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,169
have is that all people don't get access

793
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:17,440
to the information one form of the other

794
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:21,919
into some of the areas of an umpire I'm

795
00:33:28,029 --> 00:33:25,250
not just around the therapy or some of

796
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:28,039
those other sciences that feel the bumps

797
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:30,530
on people's heads and other things and

798
00:33:35,409 --> 00:33:32,570
well the color of their eyes is

799
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:35,419
completely useless but I'm not sure that

800
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:37,970
it's beneficial for many people because

801
00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:38,800
I think

802
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:42,160
there are some charlatans out there to

803
00:33:48,210 --> 00:33:45,400
convey this stuff for money and I'm not

804
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,220
at all convinced that is beneficial very

805
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:50,320
clear yeah well you had your own

806
00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:52,510
experience didn't you for some time you

807
00:33:57,450 --> 00:33:54,520
were taking glucosamine because you had

808
00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:57,460
a bad knee and when I spoke to you at

809
00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:58,870
Christmas time you told me that you'd

810
00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:00,490
stop taking that and can you tell me why

811
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:02,620
you stopped taking it well I suppose I

812
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:04,090
stopped taking it because I dread the

813
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:08,770
size and if we're looking for absolute

814
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:11,170
benefits in these areas i don't think

815
00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:13,960
that it was beneficial but of course in

816
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:16,150
scientific terms & Ebert positive and

817
00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:18,250
negative proof I never ever date that I

818
00:34:23,910 --> 00:34:20,500
certainly never ever gained positive

819
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:23,920
proof my knees are probably bug it

820
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,790
anyway and I haven't taken up any

821
00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:29,679
anymore for probably best part of a year

822
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:32,790
now and certainly my knees are no worse

823
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:37,630
mm-hmm so for 60 bucks a month I suppose

824
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:41,170
them I'm no better or worse many people

825
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:43,510
perhaps aware so far some company that

826
00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:46,210
makes his stuff and my doctor was also a

827
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:48,640
bit skeptical about it and I ran out of

828
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:50,910
it at some stage and I didn't bother to

829
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:54,700
and it replaced the box so i just didn't

830
00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:56,950
take it out it makes completely no

831
00:35:01,830 --> 00:34:58,990
difference at all i sent you a video a

832
00:35:04,170 --> 00:35:01,840
few months ago of a dowsing rod that was

833
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:04,180
being used to detect bombs in iraq and

834
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:06,610
afghanistan now you have a military

835
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:08,950
background you served in the Australian

836
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:12,550
Army for 25 years first of all I want to

837
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:13,870
ask you what was your impression when

838
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:17,950
you saw that video oh well I mean that

839
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,090
is that's snake or the sellers that the

840
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:24,400
highest level isn't it but I at the

841
00:35:30,350 --> 00:35:27,370
highest level but somebody has convinced

842
00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:30,360
what would seem to me to be a whole

843
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:32,520
organization which ought to be

844
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:34,570
bulletproof in those in those

845
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,570
departments to buy something and we're

846
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:39,040
not talking about insignificant amount

847
00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:42,130
of money here by hundreds of these

848
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:43,840
things that I think forty thousand

849
00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:46,720
dollars a copy that do absolutely

850
00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:50,080
nothing I suppose without putting to

851
00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:51,030
stronger slay

852
00:35:59,140 --> 00:35:53,360
I was appalled I was appalled that the

853
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,150
that British i think it was mo d i

854
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:02,640
bought the all these copies of these

855
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,770
things are these these machines that

856
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:06,960
were supposed to do something which had

857
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:10,530
been demonstrated in Brittany and as a

858
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,270
consequence a big order had been put in

859
00:36:17,330 --> 00:36:14,490
this fire that made all these things and

860
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,340
they do absolutely nothing was that was

861
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:19,500
a great con job by someone for a lot of

862
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:23,700
money and some idiot board the pretzel I

863
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:25,650
also bought you a copy of the men who

864
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:28,230
stare at goats for Christmas and you've

865
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:30,630
since read that and can you give me some

866
00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:34,260
feeling about this sort of trickery that

867
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,230
you know the Americans came under as

868
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,540
outlined in that book yeah that was a

869
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:41,280
very interesting book that I mean not

870
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:45,930
only about that some someone would

871
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:47,820
convince a whole organization like the

872
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:49,980
American military or best parts of it

873
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:52,160
that it was possible to stare at

874
00:36:59,960 --> 00:36:56,220
individuals and kill them among other

875
00:37:02,720 --> 00:36:59,970
silly things that they they toyed with I

876
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:02,730
mean it's almost damn as if they'd watch

877
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,070
to me copy to the X file or someone had

878
00:37:10,070 --> 00:37:07,260
and believe some of the stuff that you

879
00:37:12,350 --> 00:37:10,080
see on television that purports to be a

880
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,360
real well if you can believe what that

881
00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:15,780
fellow road and his evidence appears to

882
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:18,360
be here I'm at least nine people and no

883
00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:22,050
one's ever refuted what he said that

884
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:24,990
organization is like like that like the

885
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,030
whole defense machinery I passed them in

886
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:30,060
the United States imagine for example

887
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:32,250
that they can walk through walls if they

888
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:35,610
put their minds to him I mean even

889
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:37,710
Einstein realized that probably wasn't

890
00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:40,500
possible that's a long time ago but some

891
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:41,790
early Miller an American military

892
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:44,180
thought they could prepare to do that I

893
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:48,510
mean where we should never perhaps think

894
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:50,730
that they're there are you verizon is

895
00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:53,190
that we can deal with but God to think

896
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,300
that does someone with them with a

897
00:38:00,359 --> 00:37:58,740
molecular mass like we have can walk

898
00:38:03,779 --> 00:38:00,369
through a wall simply

899
00:38:06,089 --> 00:38:03,789
mind control I mean we done long way to

900
00:38:08,279 --> 00:38:06,099
go there and also if you want to extend

901
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:08,289
that to think that someone can pool

902
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:11,430
people by looking at them I mean God

903
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:15,490
it's just after the event we say for god

904
00:38:20,430 --> 00:38:18,130
sake what were you thinking and that's

905
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:20,440
what it's about I mean someone has got

906
00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:22,930
very persuasive peers to convince people

907
00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:26,920
to pursue these these sorts of pursuits

908
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:30,430
and it costs a lot of money for

909
00:38:35,009 --> 00:38:33,640
absolutely no game for Humanity or in

910
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:35,019
fact for the military for that matter

911
00:38:41,249 --> 00:38:38,170
and it's just a complete waste of money

912
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:41,259
though exercise well in your career in

913
00:38:47,309 --> 00:38:43,720
the Australian Army you've served for 25

914
00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:47,319
years and you're an officer and you

915
00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:50,349
retired as a left-handed colonel so you

916
00:38:54,299 --> 00:38:51,940
are very high ranking officer when you

917
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:54,309
left is there any training in critical

918
00:38:58,499 --> 00:38:56,230
thinking that you've got in those 25

919
00:39:02,970 --> 00:38:58,509
years of being in the Australian Army

920
00:39:07,529 --> 00:39:02,980
well I'm so I mean I hope we look at all

921
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:07,539
thing in a critical sense we have and we

922
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:09,640
have been blessed with some brilliant

923
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:12,910
decision as recently as the tiger

924
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:14,410
helicopters and other things that when

925
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,930
they're ever going to work in fact a

926
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:19,359
long time ago the military and I don't

927
00:39:24,569 --> 00:39:21,849
think there was any any thought process

928
00:39:27,269 --> 00:39:24,579
that you could put in a box of their

929
00:39:30,749 --> 00:39:27,279
stupidity that the military the army

930
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:30,759
bought a great heap of trailers or prime

931
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:32,380
movers and fella they wouldn't fit the

932
00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:34,690
trucks now I don't know whether someone

933
00:39:48,089 --> 00:39:46,200
never ever were I mean we do make some

934
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:48,099
silly decisions but I hope to god we

935
00:39:53,729 --> 00:39:51,190
never ever get into the area of snake

936
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:53,739
oil or some blow gun around with a

937
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:55,450
carpetbag trying to sell something that

938
00:40:00,809 --> 00:39:57,849
is never ever down to where I mean it's

939
00:40:02,249 --> 00:40:00,819
just crazy so in your time serving in

940
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:02,259
the Australian Army did you ever come

941
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:04,690
across anything as preposterous as the

942
00:40:10,109 --> 00:40:07,180
dowsing rods in ER up in Iraq and

943
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:10,119
Afghanistan or you know did you ever

944
00:40:14,279 --> 00:40:11,799
stare at a goat did you come across

945
00:40:17,069 --> 00:40:14,289
anything like that I

946
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:17,079
standard Eves ago I also looked at lots

947
00:40:24,059 --> 00:40:20,829
of gooses to in some cases they were

948
00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:24,069
almost always my superiors yeah but I

949
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:26,140
hope that we have our feet firmly on the

950
00:40:34,169 --> 00:40:29,729
ground at least in this country to work

951
00:40:38,209 --> 00:40:34,179
22 to work out what is useful and and

952
00:40:40,949 --> 00:40:38,219
with you know some scientific

953
00:40:43,169 --> 00:40:40,959
investigation as opposed to some of the

954
00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:43,179
stuff that's completely off the planet

955
00:40:50,669 --> 00:40:46,839
and I will you know dowsing rods burger

956
00:40:55,229 --> 00:40:50,679
machines chiropractors shark cartilage

957
00:40:56,779 --> 00:40:55,239
the old box and dice of that stuff we've

958
00:40:58,589 --> 00:40:56,789
just got to hope that the scientific

959
00:41:00,569 --> 00:40:58,599
people of this world look at those

960
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:00,579
things critically and look for

961
00:41:05,539 --> 00:41:03,910
evidence-based outcomes and if if

962
00:41:07,979 --> 00:41:05,549
there's no evidence they're either

963
00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:07,989
positive or negative I mean we just

964
00:41:12,449 --> 00:41:10,150
should pursue them and the sad thing

965
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:12,459
about it is that the government doesn't

966
00:41:17,219 --> 00:41:14,529
appear to want to come on board so you

967
00:41:19,799 --> 00:41:17,229
can add this is snake oil be careful I'm

968
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:19,809
hmmm well that's really what the

969
00:41:23,429 --> 00:41:21,369
Australian skeptics are here to do isn't

970
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:23,439
it because we really do the government's

971
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:26,049
job for them in many cases will not just

972
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:27,609
the Australian skeptics a skeptical

973
00:41:33,659 --> 00:41:30,249
community you're probably a good example

974
00:41:35,989 --> 00:41:33,669
to our listeners of I suppose not really

975
00:41:39,449 --> 00:41:35,999
it can teach an old dog new tricks but

976
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:39,459
you can sort of refine your experiences

977
00:41:44,729 --> 00:41:41,529
and it's never too late to become a

978
00:41:47,009 --> 00:41:44,739
skeptic is it well it is it and it it is

979
00:41:49,769 --> 00:41:47,019
never too late to question anything that

980
00:41:52,349 --> 00:41:49,779
goes on in life and certainly some of

981
00:41:56,009 --> 00:41:52,359
things which are sold and portrayed as

982
00:41:58,289 --> 00:41:56,019
being beneficial ought to be outed and I

983
00:42:00,089 --> 00:41:58,299
would certainly certainly recommend the

984
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:00,099
skeptics magazine which i think is a

985
00:42:06,089 --> 00:42:02,890
really good production and appears to be

986
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:06,099
very measured in its responses and our

987
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,529
ego is really good well thanks moves for

988
00:42:26,609 --> 00:42:10,380
joining us today on the skeptic zone

989
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:29,250
terrorism conspiracy theories and the

990
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:32,960
1979 Sydney Hilton bombing Lockerbie

991
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:36,290
bombing the 911 and London 77 bombings

992
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,630
will be covered in a talk by adjunct

993
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,119
professor Clive Williams misses a free

994
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,280
talk is going to be held in the acct

995
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:45,440
here in Australia the Australian Capital

996
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:48,020
Territory Monday the fifteenth of March

997
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:52,400
2010 6 p.m. til 730 p.m. at the Finkel

998
00:42:59,020 --> 00:42:56,240
theatre john curtin school of medical

999
00:43:02,020 --> 00:42:59,030
research this is being held by the

1000
00:43:04,510 --> 00:43:02,030
Canberra skeptics and the ANU strategic

1001
00:43:07,690 --> 00:43:04,520
and defence studies centre sounds like a

1002
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,700
fascinating talk and you can find out

1003
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:11,200
more by dropping an email to a CT one

1004
00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:13,970
and so that's a CT numeral one at

1005
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:25,770
this is desiree host of Canadian radio

1006
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,900
show skeptically speaking for those of

1007
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:30,880
you that don't know Kenneth is quite

1008
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,310
similar to Australia people know as

1009
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:35,680
primarily for our weather and our beer

1010
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:38,700
and we have a queen just like you do

1011
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,700
same one as you do actually we also have

1012
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:45,040
mythical monsters and people who think

1013
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:47,350
they have psychic abilities and people

1014
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:48,820
who think that vaccinations are bad for

1015
00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:51,760
you so keep listening to the skeptic

1016
00:44:00,450 --> 00:43:53,860
zone and know that we're all in this

1017
00:44:06,330 --> 00:44:00,460
together join us now for drinking

1018
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:06,340
skeptically in the think tank and

1019
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:09,190
welcome to the think tank and we're not

1020
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,870
in our club down the street this time

1021
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,400
were actually visiting a good friend

1022
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:14,800
Diane hello Diane hydrogen you're

1023
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:16,390
sitting on a little paint a little chin

1024
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:18,100
I know I don't even smaller than I

1025
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:20,350
Julian you are thank you so much for

1026
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:22,990
having us over we've all had a lovely

1027
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:25,690
dinner Oh scrumptious conscious hello

1028
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:27,430
Stefan welcome to the think tank hello

1029
00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:29,290
it's great to be here bit of a trek from

1030
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:31,480
from the introduction studio to you but

1031
00:44:37,380 --> 00:44:35,200
it is I got here and hello to John been

1032
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:37,390
Lou hi Richard how are you I'm very well

1033
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:40,750
your ants again hello risen and dr. 80

1034
00:44:48,660 --> 00:44:45,700
hello Richard hello larious what's you

1035
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:48,670
have today oh I'm just so happy to be

1036
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,700
here I really am oh now this has been a

1037
00:44:56,490 --> 00:44:53,920
huge week again another huge week in

1038
00:44:57,810 --> 00:44:56,500
skepticism dr h er let's kick off

1039
00:44:59,970 --> 00:44:57,820
straight away with the big announcement

1040
00:45:03,090 --> 00:44:59,980
and has everybody got one of these ready

1041
00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:03,100
and family just passing around some

1042
00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:05,860
party poppers Richie what was the big

1043
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:08,500
announcement the big announcement was

1044
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:10,210
that a UK government committee

1045
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:12,550
recommended that public funds and the UK

1046
00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:15,740
should be pulled from homeopathy

1047
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:23,420
I know it was worth this diluted you'll

1048
00:45:30,850 --> 00:45:27,590
be fine we're gonna clean up smell the

1049
00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:30,860
Gunpowder the time and that's exciting

1050
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:32,180
news what more can you tell us about

1051
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:35,150
that this was a finding that was handed

1052
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,510
down on Monday at about 10pm Australian

1053
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:40,490
time which was converted it was 11 a.m.

1054
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:44,560
london time and it was the results of a

1055
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,410
what's known as an evidence check in the

1056
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:50,960
united kingdom and it was conducted by

1057
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:53,510
the House of Commons Science and

1058
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:55,100
Technology Committee and basically what

1059
00:46:00,730 --> 00:45:57,710
they do is if there's a modality that's

1060
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,740
being funded by the UK government they

1061
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,000
will routinely do what they call

1062
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:03,920
evidence checks to make sure that the

1063
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:06,590
current evidence is in support of

1064
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:10,340
continuing to fund such healthcare so

1065
00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:13,700
they did this with homeopathy the report

1066
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,550
was handed down as I said 10pm Sydney

1067
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:18,800
time on monday and some of the things

1068
00:46:23,830 --> 00:46:22,430
that they reported included that the UK

1069
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,840
National Health Service should cease

1070
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:26,960
funding homeopathy yes that they

1071
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,090
recommended no further clinical trials

1072
00:46:33,849 --> 00:46:31,280
of homeopathy based on the evidence that

1073
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:33,859
they'd seen that the explanations for

1074
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:35,690
why homeopathy works are quite

1075
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:38,450
scientifically implausible gets better

1076
00:46:46,510 --> 00:46:40,340
and better and the committee viewed

1077
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,520
homeopathy as a placebo can I ask a

1078
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:50,000
couple of questions about this yeah if

1079
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:53,450
there's this Lord this the evidence is

1080
00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:55,250
supposed to be reviewed for funding to

1081
00:47:00,760 --> 00:46:57,590
be continued how did it start in the

1082
00:47:02,349 --> 00:47:00,770
beginning I was gonna get I don't know

1083
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:02,359
any details but that's actually amazing

1084
00:47:05,499 --> 00:47:04,850
in the other probably point out more

1085
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:05,509
than question

1086
00:47:09,789 --> 00:47:08,630
the fact that it's quite significant

1087
00:47:11,979 --> 00:47:09,799
that they said no further clinical

1088
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:11,989
studies because it's so obviously

1089
00:47:16,179 --> 00:47:13,880
considered the evidence to be so

1090
00:47:17,859 --> 00:47:16,189
overwhelmingly against never being

1091
00:47:21,309 --> 00:47:17,869
proven to work that's a really big cool

1092
00:47:22,359 --> 00:47:21,319
well i think that the point of that too

1093
00:47:23,859 --> 00:47:22,369
is that they've said that the

1094
00:47:26,139 --> 00:47:23,869
explanations are scientifically

1095
00:47:27,969 --> 00:47:26,149
implausible so there's really no point

1096
00:47:29,979 --> 00:47:27,979
that they can see in investing any more

1097
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:29,989
money in it I mean the guy who is sort

1098
00:47:36,009 --> 00:47:33,649
of at the head of the Science and

1099
00:47:38,439 --> 00:47:36,019
Technology Committee he said that in our

1100
00:47:40,749 --> 00:47:38,449
view the system matic reviews and

1101
00:47:42,939 --> 00:47:40,759
meta-analyses conclusively demonstrate

1102
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:42,949
that homeopathic products perform no

1103
00:47:47,229 --> 00:47:45,529
better than placebos but that's

1104
00:47:52,019 --> 00:47:47,239
obviously demonstration of the failure

1105
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:52,029
of science oh it's like yeah you know

1106
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:54,380
anyway that's what the home you're

1107
00:47:57,429 --> 00:47:55,849
feeling you gotta say is that they're

1108
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,439
going to say this is just proven the

1109
00:48:02,979 --> 00:47:59,839
conspiracy and the failures look at the

1110
00:48:04,629 --> 00:48:02,989
New Zealand woman quoted on a shore the

1111
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:04,639
little bit of audio I played last week

1112
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:07,249
on the show said the homeopath we're

1113
00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:09,649
waiting for science to catch up exactly

1114
00:48:14,169 --> 00:48:11,299
right there just may push out the same

1115
00:48:16,149 --> 00:48:14,179
stuff every time you know but it's not

1116
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,159
mean to Vince them but so what it's not

1117
00:48:19,209 --> 00:48:17,839
it's not going to be funded that's what

1118
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:19,219
and that's the main point is now

1119
00:48:23,289 --> 00:48:20,630
actually wondering that it's actually in

1120
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:23,299
London and homeopathic hospital realize

1121
00:48:28,779 --> 00:48:25,849
their morale and and they all rely

1122
00:48:31,269 --> 00:48:28,789
heavily on on NHS fundamentally where r

1123
00:48:34,269 --> 00:48:31,279
5 homeopathic hospitals and one which

1124
00:48:37,479 --> 00:48:34,279
was on Kent closed down in 2009 because

1125
00:48:39,309 --> 00:48:37,489
they lost at NHS funding so the future

1126
00:48:41,379 --> 00:48:39,319
of the remaining four if this is

1127
00:48:43,569 --> 00:48:41,389
actually taken on board by the

1128
00:48:44,829 --> 00:48:43,579
government this is a recommendation by

1129
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:44,839
this committee it hasn't been taken on

1130
00:48:48,939 --> 00:48:46,609
board yet then the future of those other

1131
00:48:51,249 --> 00:48:48,949
four is green oh if anybody's looking

1132
00:48:52,839 --> 00:48:51,259
for a cheap Hospital in London mm-hmm i

1133
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:52,849
think there's a four for sale very soon

1134
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,490
they'll be

1135
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:55,500
absence that's scoping it out homeopath

1136
00:49:02,750 --> 00:48:58,680
unfortunately the only device a hotel

1137
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:02,760
with a pool hey therapeutic devices of

1138
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:06,330
the taps but the interesting thing about

1139
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:08,610
this process was that during the

1140
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:11,310
evidence check they obviously asked

1141
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:12,630
homeopaths to come in and present

1142
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:15,690
evidence and of course our listeners

1143
00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:17,340
would remember that boots have come

1144
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,470
under some fire late with them being the

1145
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:22,800
target of the 10 23 campaign and the

1146
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:24,690
professional standards director for

1147
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:27,150
boots he gave evidence at the evidence

1148
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:29,910
check his own Paul Bennett and what's

1149
00:49:35,330 --> 00:49:33,480
been out i'm known as a huge 14 mouth he

1150
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:35,340
actually said during the evidence check

1151
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,350
that there is certainly a consumer

1152
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:39,720
demand for these products but i have no

1153
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:42,110
evidence to suggest they are efficacious

1154
00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:45,210
well basically he came out and said yeah

1155
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:46,590
they don't work that people want to say

1156
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:48,030
she don't tell anyone which is pretty

1157
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:49,980
much what most pharmacist say when you

1158
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:51,090
go in there in question why they're

1159
00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:52,560
selling your candles or anything else

1160
00:49:58,310 --> 00:49:55,950
people want them ya know what what will

1161
00:50:00,260 --> 00:49:58,320
play now is actually a little clip that

1162
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:00,270
was played here on our national

1163
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:03,210
broadcaster the ABC the TV news because

1164
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:06,210
news of this is filtered at least to the

1165
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:08,790
ABC news so I'll play this little clip

1166
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:12,240
now and then we can discuss why it's

1167
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:16,680
such a fail tens if not hundreds of

1168
00:50:20,780 --> 00:50:18,450
thousands of Australians swear by

1169
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,790
homeopathic treatments and their health

1170
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,040
funds pay for them but are they all

1171
00:50:27,490 --> 00:50:25,260
being hoodwinked a British parliamentary

1172
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:27,500
report has labeled homeopathy as

1173
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:30,450
scientifically implausible but that's a

1174
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:32,609
conclusion being strongly challenged by

1175
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,970
Australian homeopaths homeopathy is a

1176
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:37,740
natural therapy where an active

1177
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,930
ingredient is diluted again and again

1178
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:41,400
until there's very little of the

1179
00:50:46,130 --> 00:50:44,280
original substance left it's widely used

1180
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,140
in Australia despite a lack of

1181
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:48,000
definitive clinical evidence that it

1182
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:50,070
works now a report from a British

1183
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:51,750
parliamentary panel says it's

1184
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:54,180
scientifically implausible and works no

1185
00:50:58,820 --> 00:50:56,820
better than a placebo the Science and

1186
00:51:01,099 --> 00:50:58,830
Technology Committee says homeopathic

1187
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:01,109
products are not medicines and should no

1188
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:02,310
longer be licensed by the

1189
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,460
publicly-funded National Health Service

1190
00:51:08,540 --> 00:51:06,480
so this is a fun

1191
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,550
mental point of principle as to whether

1192
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:10,800
in fact we are actually hoodwinking

1193
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,990
individual patients that were being

1194
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:15,720
given a treatment which the NH has knows

1195
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:19,380
does not work Australian homeopaths say

1196
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,450
the committee was biased and only

1197
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:23,280
considered one kind of scientific

1198
00:51:28,070 --> 00:51:26,040
evidence they also disregarded a lot of

1199
00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:28,080
the studies that have been done where

1200
00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:30,120
homeopathy came out very well including

1201
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:31,830
studies of thousands of people in

1202
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:34,530
hospitals in Australia homeopathy isn't

1203
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,450
covered on Medicare but most health

1204
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:38,700
funds reimburse their members for visits

1205
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,610
to registered homeopathic practitioners

1206
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:42,480
you would need to be registered with

1207
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:44,070
arrow the Australian register of

1208
00:51:48,350 --> 00:51:47,010
homeopaths and because not only does

1209
00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:48,360
that show that you've met the government

1210
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:50,670
or competency standards but also that

1211
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:52,020
you have the adequate indemnity

1212
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:53,670
insurance and that you have up to declan

1213
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:55,140
stayed and all those other requirements

1214
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,480
the health insurance industry says it

1215
00:52:01,850 --> 00:51:59,520
will continue to support homeopathy and

1216
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:01,860
it's up to individual funds to decide

1217
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:04,500
which treatments they fund sophie scott

1218
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:07,980
ABC news so yeah I also swear it on yoga

1219
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:11,190
the-- now the the voices you heard in

1220
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:13,530
their apartment reporters were Phil

1221
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:15,750
Willis from the Scientific Committee in

1222
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:18,810
the UK and the homeopath was Michelle

1223
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:22,340
who cam from the Australian homeopathic

1224
00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:25,560
associations that hook with a see who

1225
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:27,780
could ok ah now hook we descend

1226
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:33,680
beginning cook Sorry Sorry my belt oh

1227
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:38,970
look at coming out how but right off the

1228
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:40,920
bat but what the reporter said and we

1229
00:52:45,980 --> 00:52:43,230
all had a bit of a chuckle or a fail at

1230
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:45,990
it was that she started off with an

1231
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:49,100
arrow amia pathak medicine is made from

1232
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:53,280
Paris very dilated yeah I mean sure it

1233
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,780
might be originally made from herbs but

1234
00:52:57,740 --> 00:52:55,920
there's nothing in it by the time it

1235
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,750
gets on the shelf well it's I strongly

1236
00:53:01,460 --> 00:52:59,160
suspect a lot of it what you're buying

1237
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:01,470
the chemist isn't even doesn't even

1238
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,510
start life in that it's just simply

1239
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:06,720
popped out an attack of course there's a

1240
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:09,210
like a long line of short people banging

1241
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:10,040
it on

1242
00:53:14,350 --> 00:53:12,710
absolutely but she also said there's no

1243
00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:14,360
definitive evidence that he work which

1244
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:17,000
is actually not true there is definitely

1245
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,730
derivatives that it doesn't work she

1246
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:22,400
also said that the committee only looked

1247
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:24,970
at one kind of scientific evidence

1248
00:53:32,590 --> 00:53:28,570
laughs during that Iran why did you last

1249
00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:32,600
one time science it was not a jerk I

1250
00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:35,270
know you're it was the kind of

1251
00:53:38,530 --> 00:53:36,740
scientific evidence doesn't support

1252
00:53:40,570 --> 00:53:38,540
their claims that's the kind that I like

1253
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:40,580
and well the homeopath had the whole

1254
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:43,280
second part didn't you yeah yeah not

1255
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:45,350
only never the beginning she needs me to

1256
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,450
start off with tens if not hundreds of

1257
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:49,040
thousands of people rely on it and I'm

1258
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:50,810
thinking if I when it's all said how

1259
00:53:57,730 --> 00:53:52,310
much money you got are tens if not

1260
00:54:00,280 --> 00:53:57,740
hundreds of thousands of dollars how

1261
00:54:02,050 --> 00:54:00,290
many people actually use it yeah tens if

1262
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:02,060
not hundreds of thousands a waiter would

1263
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:03,890
they get that from look at that that's

1264
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:07,750
yeah you know most of Australia uses a

1265
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:10,880
billions of people using billions but I

1266
00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:12,680
mean this is relevant for Australia

1267
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:15,860
because as our listeners who who

1268
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:17,300
regularly since wouldn't know we've been

1269
00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:18,890
having an ongoing fight with homeopathy

1270
00:54:24,820 --> 00:54:22,100
plus oh yes which is a website run by

1271
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:24,830
France Sheffield yes a homeopath years

1272
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:28,490
and if you recall they were told by the

1273
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:30,110
Therapeutic Goods Administration a

1274
00:54:34,090 --> 00:54:32,030
number of weeks ago to place a

1275
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:34,100
retraction on their website because they

1276
00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:35,740
were saying that homeopathic

1277
00:54:41,860 --> 00:54:38,150
immunization was as good as conventional

1278
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:41,870
vaccinations now listeners who have a

1279
00:54:46,330 --> 00:54:43,850
bit of spare time on the internet

1280
00:54:47,620 --> 00:54:46,340
perhaps might like to make our listeners

1281
00:54:51,130 --> 00:54:47,630
spare time

1282
00:54:53,530 --> 00:54:51,140
you might like to take advantage of the

1283
00:54:57,220 --> 00:54:53,540
new google toolbar feature called side

1284
00:55:00,090 --> 00:54:57,230
wiki is awesome yeah you ask right yeah

1285
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:00,100
you can use it for good anything um

1286
00:55:06,610 --> 00:55:04,070
really Rachel yeah well I write because

1287
00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:06,620
the homeopathy plus had neglected to put

1288
00:55:09,730 --> 00:55:08,030
up their attraction on their web star

1289
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:09,740
oversight I'm sure I'm sure they're just

1290
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,450
busy tonight which orders are done

1291
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:13,760
happening in the UK they're probably you

1292
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:16,010
know trying to worry hosting yeah or

1293
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:20,180
reinventing so I placed a side wiki on

1294
00:55:24,730 --> 00:55:22,490
their website which basically reproduces

1295
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,740
the retraction which was given passed

1296
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:27,200
down by the TGA and where the headlines

1297
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:28,970
saying warning this website contains

1298
00:55:35,860 --> 00:55:32,210
unverified and misleading information so

1299
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:35,870
if you don't have side wiki you can

1300
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:37,610
install it through your gmail account if

1301
00:55:42,370 --> 00:55:39,950
you have a google account and then you

1302
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:42,380
can head to homeopathy plus comm don't

1303
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,540
owe you and have a look at the side were

1304
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:46,640
here and you can vote it up or down if

1305
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:48,890
you like and you cannot do a lot of

1306
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:51,230
boats I person runner yeah last night it

1307
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:54,740
had a I don't know about twenty 120

1308
00:55:58,540 --> 00:55:55,970
people later said they found it useful

1309
00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:58,550
yeah so the more it gets voted up the

1310
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:01,460
better it is because the government is

1311
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:03,290
not doing anything about enforcing these

1312
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:05,630
this ruling are there too busy

1313
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:06,890
preventing people from getting

1314
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:10,460
electrocuted in rudely so and you can

1315
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:12,110
also add your own please add your own

1316
00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:15,890
site well that's the TGA the Therapeutic

1317
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:18,320
Goods Administration what else could we

1318
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:21,200
say TGM I was just thinking of that yeah

1319
00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:28,780
something new they never land

1320
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:32,660
aromatherapy aromatherapy lead again and

1321
00:56:36,220 --> 00:56:34,130
just on that if you're interested in

1322
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:36,230
hearing more about what happened with

1323
00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:38,900
that particular complaint and wires just

1324
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:41,270
got stuck in the ether now head over to

1325
00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:43,550
the reality reality check podcaster a

1326
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:45,740
good friend of ours or colleague Tony

1327
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:48,320
Pittman he does a podcast called reality

1328
00:56:53,770 --> 00:56:51,290
check and he did a three week coverage

1329
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:53,780
of homeopathy and then spoke to dr. ken

1330
00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:55,490
harvey who submitted that complaint and

1331
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:57,350
i think next week is going to talk to

1332
00:57:01,570 --> 00:56:59,810
the minister who's in charge of the

1333
00:57:04,060 --> 00:57:01,580
regulations surrounding that stuff so

1334
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:04,070
that would be really interesting they'll

1335
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:05,390
be listening in for that that should be

1336
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:07,040
very interesting you know can I just say

1337
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:08,690
that before we change the topic the

1338
00:57:12,250 --> 00:57:10,100
thing that's been really funny about

1339
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:12,260
this whole incident in the UK is the way

1340
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:14,030
that the homeopaths are sticking their

1341
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,700
fingers and there isn't going on they

1342
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:21,920
can keep doing that you know and they're

1343
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:25,430
still posting up scientific papers that

1344
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:27,530
they claim support homeopathy and all

1345
00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:29,870
the UM homeopathy plus any of the

1346
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:32,420
district of La Jolla you saw that I run

1347
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:34,970
no the holocaust their bed it'll

1348
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:37,130
escapade yesterday which I'll explain

1349
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:38,840
now as Iran looks increasingly

1350
00:57:44,740 --> 00:57:42,680
gobsmacked they ain't seen nothing yet

1351
00:57:46,540 --> 00:57:44,750
you know that this was reposted on the

1352
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:46,550
homeopathy plus website by French chef

1353
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:49,250
field and she was quote she posted an

1354
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:51,260
article by a woman whose name escapes me

1355
00:57:55,530 --> 00:57:53,750
but this woman is the either the current

1356
00:58:00,160 --> 00:57:55,540
or former executive director of

1357
00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:00,170
homeopaths Without Borders directly

1358
00:58:05,050 --> 00:58:03,860
petition is also me and aunt for murder

1359
00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:05,060
or current director one of the

1360
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:08,320
homeopathic hospitals in the UK and she

1361
00:58:13,450 --> 00:58:11,690
posted an article that started the title

1362
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:13,460
of it was first they came for the

1363
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:18,800
homeopath you know you know the time

1364
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:21,740
then no but I'm already fuming yeah and

1365
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:24,410
then she quoted the very famous poem by

1366
00:58:27,540 --> 00:58:26,050
pasta outcome

1367
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:27,550
I come from his name but it's very

1368
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:29,650
famous poem which begins first they came

1369
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,070
for the Communists but no one no one

1370
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:35,440
knows like a no 10 min so on and so on

1371
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:37,690
and so on which is of course about the

1372
00:58:42,830 --> 00:58:40,960
Holocaust and about persecution and

1373
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:42,840
failure to stand up and do something

1374
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:46,090
about it and I'm death camps and death

1375
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,350
camps and happy hospital this is and and

1376
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:52,240
of course this is basically saying I

1377
00:58:57,570 --> 00:58:54,280
comparing her comparing what we'd marry

1378
00:58:59,610 --> 00:58:57,580
whom it has to help to Holocaust victims

1379
00:59:02,180 --> 00:58:59,620
and but I think more importantly

1380
00:59:04,770 --> 00:59:02,190
components the action we're taking

1381
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:04,780
comparing us to Nazis yeah yeah

1382
00:59:09,690 --> 00:59:06,730
basically Godwin's law being they'll

1383
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:09,700
lose um and the thing that I mean aside

1384
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:11,230
from the fact that I found the use of

1385
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:14,170
this particular poem and this comparison

1386
00:59:21,930 --> 00:59:18,850
to be so appallingly inappropriate it's

1387
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:21,940
just that the fact that this this group

1388
00:59:29,460 --> 00:59:26,830
of people just cannot see that they they

1389
00:59:31,050 --> 00:59:29,470
are they are immune to to any

1390
00:59:32,730 --> 00:59:31,060
responsibility for anything they do they

1391
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:32,740
are immune to having to prove anything

1392
00:59:40,050 --> 00:59:37,660
and they said they'll alalala and and

1393
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:40,060
then claim to be victims and hmm and you

1394
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:41,230
know what I find so interesting about

1395
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:43,510
that too Joe is that Ed's and Ernst made

1396
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:45,310
this point in his guardian article a

1397
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:48,310
couple of days ago where he said can you

1398
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:50,800
imagine if it was found that big

1399
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:52,630
pharmaceutical companies were selling

1400
00:59:59,520 --> 00:59:56,410
placebos can you imagine the outrage now

1401
01:00:01,020 --> 00:59:59,530
by the old head basically that's what's

1402
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:01,030
happened in Reverse it's been

1403
01:00:05,790 --> 01:00:02,890
demonstrated unequivocally that what

1404
01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:05,800
they are doing is placebo and all they

1405
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:08,020
keep doing is keep moving the goalpost

1406
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:09,550
twisting the reasons trying to change

1407
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,010
the explanations it's no much just think

1408
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:13,920
I whatever with merkin vioxx vials is

1409
01:00:19,770 --> 01:00:17,560
amazing medication if it's extremely

1410
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:19,780
useful for a lot of things it needs it

1411
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:23,290
has some it has some risks character

1412
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:25,810
comes with and a lot of people are

1413
01:00:28,329 --> 01:00:27,790
suffering now because Marik paulding for

1414
01:00:29,529 --> 01:00:28,339
Margot

1415
01:00:31,989 --> 01:00:29,539
there are a lot of doctors that actually

1416
01:00:33,940 --> 01:00:31,999
still giving it off label just because

1417
01:00:37,029 --> 01:00:33,950
it's the only thing that helps those

1418
01:00:39,249 --> 01:00:37,039
patients and their content debating

1419
01:00:41,229 --> 01:00:39,259
indications and all kinds of risks but

1420
01:00:43,059 --> 01:00:41,239
you know it was just pulled from the

1421
01:00:48,339 --> 01:00:43,069
market not because it wasn't good enough

1422
01:00:51,789 --> 01:00:48,349
because he was used most of the problems

1423
01:00:54,279 --> 01:00:51,799
were used against the war was ended in

1424
01:00:55,779 --> 01:00:54,289
the inset because it's not it was not

1425
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,789
supposed to be used for more than 18

1426
01:01:00,700 --> 01:00:57,440
months and most of the patients who

1427
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:00,710
suffered by using bios gives it more

1428
01:01:06,969 --> 01:01:04,160
than 18 months and you compare that so

1429
01:01:09,279 --> 01:01:06,979
and you know they had to pull out a

1430
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,289
multi-billion dollar drug of the

1431
01:01:13,029 --> 01:01:11,359
committee that he's useful there to pull

1432
01:01:14,709 --> 01:01:13,039
it out because it carried some risks

1433
01:01:15,789 --> 01:01:14,719
he'll be talking about multi billion

1434
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:15,799
drug that does absolutely nothing

1435
01:01:20,109 --> 01:01:18,140
actually no risks at all other night

1436
01:01:21,459 --> 01:01:20,119
regarding what I saw in a favor and I

1437
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,469
rescued supply think what they could

1438
01:01:24,459 --> 01:01:23,119
have advice on which is what they do

1439
01:01:27,489 --> 01:01:24,469
with lot of drugs is to put a black box

1440
01:01:29,609 --> 01:01:27,499
warning on it but instead because of the

1441
01:01:32,170 --> 01:01:29,619
controversy and the fact that they did

1442
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,180
mishandle the way they should have

1443
01:01:38,499 --> 01:01:35,359
actually presented the risks this is the

1444
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:38,509
result but instead with homeopaths they

1445
01:01:44,650 --> 01:01:43,249
just continue to have the right and can

1446
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,660
I also just say that I think the media

1447
01:01:48,519 --> 01:01:46,400
has been absolutely embarrassing in some

1448
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,529
cases I'm surrounding this issue i don't

1449
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:51,440
know if you guys saw the BBC clip which

1450
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:53,630
ben goldacre poster today which were not

1451
01:02:00,670 --> 01:01:55,640
they've dug up a woman who says homie

1452
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:00,680
homeopathy cured her brain cancer and I

1453
01:02:05,410 --> 01:02:02,150
mean is she sure it wasn't Mary

1454
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:05,420
MacKillop talking about false balance I

1455
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,729
mean if you are you serious and I'm just

1456
01:02:11,849 --> 01:02:09,680
very said that homeopathy was 2,000

1457
01:02:13,569 --> 01:02:11,859
years old she did say that to your

1458
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:13,579
families you might still owe brain

1459
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:23,089
cancer I'm gonna get but I have to

1460
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:24,890
notice I an effective her ex brain

1461
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:28,430
cancer I have to say I did listen live

1462
01:02:32,620 --> 01:02:30,529
to Jenny Barnett on Monday night which

1463
01:02:33,819 --> 01:02:32,630
was about 2am Australian time this is

1464
01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:33,829
jenny barnett from

1465
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:36,920
about it from lbc 97.3 the one who made

1466
01:02:41,469 --> 01:02:39,680
the read about MMR about a year and a

1467
01:02:44,049 --> 01:02:41,479
half ago and then threatened ben

1468
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:44,059
goldacre with libel because he posted

1469
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:46,329
and copyright i believe on his website

1470
01:02:50,049 --> 01:02:48,680
and i don't know what she's been taking

1471
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:50,059
but she actually made a little bit of

1472
01:03:05,680 --> 01:02:54,170
sense yeah i know maybe she was

1473
01:03:08,049 --> 01:03:05,690
vaccinated testing Iran well this has

1474
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:08,059
been one of the most interesting times

1475
01:03:13,209 --> 01:03:10,729
the last week's really all this news and

1476
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:13,219
especially this this UK committee and

1477
01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:14,839
it's the fun's just starting I think

1478
01:03:18,489 --> 01:03:16,430
it's almost a bit of a domino theory

1479
01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:18,499
house of Carson go around the wealthy

1480
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,849
moment here because there's a lot of

1481
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:21,440
things are tipping the tipping the

1482
01:03:25,150 --> 01:03:23,930
scales towards reason I like in a lot of

1483
01:03:27,549 --> 01:03:25,160
different here I had a meeting today

1484
01:03:29,229 --> 01:03:27,559
with choice magazine and they're going

1485
01:03:31,329 --> 01:03:29,239
to do lots of stories coming up about

1486
01:03:32,529 --> 01:03:31,339
dodgy health care devices and everything

1487
01:03:34,809 --> 01:03:32,539
and I were asking me about this and I

1488
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:34,819
said oh you know I've been in The

1489
01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:36,559
Skeptical game now for over 10 years and

1490
01:03:40,749 --> 01:03:38,420
I said in the last two years we've

1491
01:03:43,180 --> 01:03:40,759
discovered that we've got a skeptical

1492
01:03:45,969 --> 01:03:43,190
army worldwide now look at the 10 23

1493
01:03:47,650 --> 01:03:45,979
campaign yeah now that was very

1494
01:03:49,269 --> 01:03:47,660
successful was the first time can you

1495
01:03:51,099 --> 01:03:49,279
imagine next year how big it's going to

1496
01:03:52,509 --> 01:03:51,109
be big earlier it's kind of I hope

1497
01:03:54,959 --> 01:03:52,519
listeners it's going to be all over the

1498
01:03:58,329 --> 01:03:54,969
states to learn the United States and

1499
01:03:59,709 --> 01:03:58,339
well let's wrap off this think tank with

1500
01:04:02,499 --> 01:03:59,719
some news about the Australian

1501
01:04:05,469 --> 01:04:02,509
vaccination network yeah well I think um

1502
01:04:07,749 --> 01:04:05,479
blisters who read my blog skeptics book

1503
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,759
dog home would have been aware that the

1504
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,920
avian was threatened to close at the end

1505
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:11,839
of this month because they said they had

1506
01:04:15,819 --> 01:04:13,910
no money and they sent out a series of

1507
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:15,829
eNewsletters getting more and more

1508
01:04:18,579 --> 01:04:17,390
desperate each time saying please give

1509
01:04:20,829 --> 01:04:18,589
us money oh please give us something

1510
01:04:23,469 --> 01:04:20,839
please give us money they sent another

1511
01:04:26,380 --> 01:04:23,479
one last week saying that they had got

1512
01:04:28,689 --> 01:04:26,390
enough money so they wouldn't be closing

1513
01:04:32,910 --> 01:04:28,699
at the end of the month but Merrill has

1514
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,290
that was just actually it's not party

1515
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:43,760
poppers we should be doing it should be

1516
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:49,760
a stick of dynamite jaya says not in her

1517
01:04:55,930 --> 01:04:54,079
house but a screw it basically the

1518
01:04:58,120 --> 01:04:55,940
issues as Ben likes to say it's a bit

1519
01:05:00,010 --> 01:04:58,130
more complicated than that because what

1520
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,020
they did was they went on a drive for

1521
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:02,000
fundraising but they asked for pledges

1522
01:05:08,109 --> 01:05:05,630
not for donations and so she sent an

1523
01:05:10,030 --> 01:05:08,119
email saying victory the avian saved but

1524
01:05:11,410 --> 01:05:10,040
if he reads the text and this is like a

1525
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:11,420
lot of things Merrill rights it's

1526
01:05:17,530 --> 01:05:15,859
misleading she says you know I know it's

1527
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:17,540
rising would have thunk it who'd have

1528
01:05:23,559 --> 01:05:20,390
thunk it indeed but basically she says

1529
01:05:25,569 --> 01:05:23,569
that they've achieved 75% of the amount

1530
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:25,579
of money that they wanted via pledges

1531
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,770
now that means that people still have to

1532
01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:30,079
actually caught up the cash kind of like

1533
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:32,180
it well yeah it's like one of those

1534
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:33,800
telephones where people ring up and say

1535
01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:35,900
I'll give five dollars and then you spin

1536
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:37,880
so basically she's got money for about

1537
01:05:41,620 --> 01:05:40,010
nine months don't know we don't know we

1538
01:05:43,809 --> 01:05:41,630
don't know but she's being misleading

1539
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:43,819
and you know we probably never will know

1540
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:46,670
but she has said that they won't close I

1541
01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:48,260
don't know if that's still going to

1542
01:05:51,339 --> 01:05:49,849
happen because we don't know how much

1543
01:05:53,470 --> 01:05:51,349
money they have we don't know what's

1544
01:05:55,089 --> 01:05:53,480
kind of a good thing because that means

1545
01:05:56,410 --> 01:05:55,099
all the investigations are going to

1546
01:05:57,730 --> 01:05:56,420
continue well that's I was just about to

1547
01:06:00,160 --> 01:05:57,740
say there are these investigations

1548
01:06:01,900 --> 01:06:00,170
ongoing plus there's this report going

1549
01:06:03,549 --> 01:06:01,910
to be handed down pretty soon yeah the

1550
01:06:05,410 --> 01:06:03,559
edge Triple C report there are two

1551
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:05,420
pending complaints in the H Triple C

1552
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:08,569
they're due any day and those are being

1553
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:09,890
order to the visible they're being

1554
01:06:12,549 --> 01:06:11,450
audited by the office of liquor gaming

1555
01:06:14,940 --> 01:06:12,559
and racing because they apparently

1556
01:06:17,470 --> 01:06:14,950
traded for two years without a valid

1557
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,480
charity license while still collecting

1558
01:06:23,020 --> 01:06:20,000
donations which is illegal for all as

1559
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,030
overseas overseas News did you get to

1560
01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:26,240
nothing to do with raising the baby 80

1561
01:06:34,329 --> 01:06:28,040
vaccination network is having problems

1562
01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:37,789
they also they also tried to entice

1563
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:40,619
people to donate or a pledge with a case

1564
01:06:48,589 --> 01:06:46,799
of wine this week thousand dollars in

1565
01:06:49,909 --> 01:06:48,599
case of wine the first person to pledge

1566
01:06:53,899 --> 01:06:49,919
of thousand dollars would get a case of

1567
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:53,909
organic biodynamic from your perfect by

1568
01:06:58,609 --> 01:06:55,890
the way do you know what by a dynamic

1569
01:07:00,409 --> 01:06:58,619
means my name is Donna it's this line of

1570
01:07:02,479 --> 01:07:00,419
thing we do with a whole with it is in

1571
01:07:06,049 --> 01:07:02,489
the horn in the hole in the ground line

1572
01:07:09,469 --> 01:07:06,059
it please so far it's like hater you put

1573
01:07:11,989 --> 01:07:09,479
[\h__\h] into the ground come on in um sorry

1574
01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:11,999
may be able t have to change no it's all

1575
01:07:17,809 --> 01:07:15,569
right yeah it's pretty you yeah and it's

1576
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:17,819
you only have to do it in one corner of

1577
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:20,369
the field a specific or not any anyway

1578
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:22,169
and the life of silvery moon or

1579
01:07:26,329 --> 01:07:24,089
something like that basically and then

1580
01:07:27,949 --> 01:07:26,339
what happens is that it helps the plants

1581
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:27,959
because it's something about the light

1582
01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:30,150
filtering like you know how the plants

1583
01:07:37,609 --> 01:07:33,809
just you know basically bounce back the

1584
01:07:39,439 --> 01:07:37,619
green light according to istana they

1585
01:07:42,499 --> 01:07:39,449
don't actually the green light actually

1586
01:07:44,089 --> 01:07:42,509
filters through and different parts of

1587
01:07:46,339 --> 01:07:44,099
the plant filter different parts of the

1588
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,349
lights and only that I believe it's the

1589
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:49,079
red light that reaches the only the red

1590
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:50,609
light I believe it is that in the end

1591
01:07:55,249 --> 01:07:52,890
reaches if you're Hanuman make this

1592
01:07:57,199 --> 01:07:55,259
awesome so you get a hole and filled

1593
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,209
with [\h__\h] and put it in the corner it's

1594
01:08:05,689 --> 01:08:00,119
not just any [\h__\h] it's cash you can only

1595
01:08:10,009 --> 01:08:05,699
know things full of [\h__\h] they also

1596
01:08:11,539 --> 01:08:10,019
use homeopathic um fertilizer yes yeah

1597
01:08:13,819 --> 01:08:11,549
but that's actually a new thing it's not

1598
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:13,829
like he's not part of snuck not part of

1599
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:16,049
Rudolph sir I got actually you're making

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01:08:20,569 --> 01:08:18,089
herself no he's not know Rudolph made it

1601
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:20,579
up he's not making it up I'm not serious

1602
01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:26,590
I'll tell you how I know about this

1603
01:08:33,190 --> 01:08:29,240
because the best falafel in Crows Nest

1604
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:33,200
which is where I work actually what the

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01:08:37,780 --> 01:08:36,110
best falafel in closeness is solving

1606
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:37,790
that in a health in a health food store

1607
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:40,370
so while i wait for them to give me my

1608
01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:43,010
falafel wrap for four dollars fifty you

1609
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,590
read i read i read the stuff that they

1610
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:46,880
have there so i already know everything

1611
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:48,410
there is to know about the for blood

1612
01:08:54,370 --> 01:08:51,050
touch for four personalities or

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:54,380
something uh yeah um and then recently I

1614
01:08:59,740 --> 01:08:56,570
read about about this and I was telling

1615
01:09:01,780 --> 01:08:59,750
you it's not been doing the owners of

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01:09:03,730 --> 01:09:01,790
that shop very well because typically

1617
01:09:10,780 --> 01:09:03,740
for health food store owners they look

1618
01:09:12,820 --> 01:09:10,790
very very unwell Brian Dunning do an

1619
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:12,830
episode on by dynamic farming yes are

1620
01:09:18,660 --> 01:09:14,210
you probably I think he's done

1621
01:09:22,420 --> 01:09:18,670
everything thank ya hi Brian Dunning

1622
01:09:25,690 --> 01:09:22,430
well I as I said I can't believe some of

1623
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:25,700
the stuff I'm oh I don't know what I did

1624
01:09:29,470 --> 01:09:27,260
mine book Stefan I think I'd rather

1625
01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:29,480
believe in doctors without medicine is

1626
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:31,670
medicine some medicine and as the

1627
01:09:36,220 --> 01:09:34,010
anti-vaccination network see we need a

1628
01:09:40,300 --> 01:09:36,230
lot of money too so again please same

1629
01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:40,310
pledge all the latest pledge wine and

1630
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:42,140
money that's all I wanted money online

1631
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:45,260
in for wine in my biodynamic thank you

1632
01:09:49,090 --> 01:09:46,850
Stefan and I'll see you in a moment to

1633
01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:49,100
wrap the show up I just gotta get in the

1634
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:50,780
car and gather the other studio but you

1635
01:09:56,410 --> 01:09:53,690
sure didn't choke better Ruth thank you

1636
01:09:57,970 --> 01:09:56,420
thank you runs again thanks mrs. diane

1637
01:10:00,430 --> 01:09:57,980
thank you so much for letting us come

1638
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:00,440
over and pop party poppers know in your

1639
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:09,350
room in your house scaring your cats me

1640
01:10:13,690 --> 01:10:11,570
and dr. AG has ever thinking once again

1641
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:13,700
of course thank you Richard and until

1642
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:16,180
next time cheers everybody yeah

1643
01:10:38,970 --> 01:10:36,270
wanna know how to live skeptically and

1644
01:10:41,220 --> 01:10:38,980
still have friends well so do i join me

1645
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,230
for actually speaking a new podcast that

1646
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:42,880
explores the human side of skepticism

1647
01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:45,190
will set the science side and discuss

1648
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:47,020
familiar skeptical topics from an inner

1649
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:49,480
personal perspective along the way will

1650
01:10:52,530 --> 01:10:50,920
highlight specific social and

1651
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:52,540
communication skills needed to promote

1652
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:54,969
critical thinking scientific facts are

1653
01:10:58,260 --> 01:10:56,890
only part of the equation let's take an

1654
01:11:00,479 --> 01:10:58,270
extra step and learn how to share that

1655
01:11:02,610 --> 01:11:00,489
knowledge effectively actually speaking

1656
01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:02,620
a podcast that explores a human side of

1657
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:04,900
skepticism critical thinking and the

1658
01:11:08,610 --> 01:11:06,370
skills we need to make it through the

1659
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:08,620
day visit actually speaking calm to

1660
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:20,710
they haven't Richard another show

1661
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:23,840
episode 71 of the zone is almost over

1662
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:25,610
almost thank you for taking part in the

1663
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:28,640
think tank ah wasn't it amazing was it

1664
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:30,530
was one of the most I can't believe all

1665
01:11:35,530 --> 01:11:33,290
the things that I will say when we pre

1666
01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:35,540
record is that's right it's going to be

1667
01:11:38,980 --> 01:11:37,580
amazing um if your peanut gallery

1668
01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:38,990
laughing behind the stove over there the

1669
01:11:41,710 --> 01:11:40,580
tanks they would left-hander haven't

1670
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:41,720
left me you think they're still here

1671
01:11:44,650 --> 01:11:43,190
pick up your stuff and get the hell out

1672
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:44,660
of your second closest they're all still

1673
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:46,490
here from the tank I don't believe but

1674
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:48,050
anyway Stefan what a great episode that

1675
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:50,510
was and I hope that you'll you will be

1676
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:52,670
downloading episode 72 next week I will

1677
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,590
and any ideas on what's gonna be

1678
01:11:59,650 --> 01:11:56,800
happening next week you're not a crazy

1679
01:12:01,570 --> 01:11:59,660
let's just wait writing but I need to be

1680
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:01,580
psychic to know that oh yes oh let's

1681
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:03,170
let's get on with it closing the show

1682
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:15,950
that is well let's close the shadow

1683
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:18,110
shall we let's close this young idea

1684
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:19,670
it's official it's closed we'll see you

1685
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:28,180
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1686
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:32,150
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